tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post5351315907651859243..comments2024-03-07T03:25:23.835-08:00Comments on Political Pistachio: Myth #15: The Founding Fathers Were Deists/Atheists/Not ChristiansDouglas V. Gibbshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09388639848567082980noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-53466383618569675232021-07-08T07:49:15.943-07:002021-07-08T07:49:15.943-07:00actual historian: I have studied this in depth, an...actual historian: I have studied this in depth, and your assessment that Thanksgiving was about celebrating slaughtering an Indian tribe is false, and definitely an example of revisionist history. Rather than read the error-filled stuff being put out today, how about reading what was written back then about what happened, and who these people were. While I consider myself a critical thinker, I also recognize that I am too intellectual and too insightful not to recognize that God had a hand in Creation, and the founding of this country. I give you a challenge. Study the Bible, truly study it, for six months. Finally, you claim in your post I insult people, of which I do not in my responses, yet you end your comment by calling me dumb. I suppose only you are allowed to be insulting, in your mind. A source that may help with your confusion about the importance of Christianity in the founding era, by the way, would be the Founder's Bible put out by David Barton. There is, of course, various titles from the eighteenth century and early nineteenth century I can lead you to, if you are interested. Finally, the two "deists" that people talk about, Jefferson and Franklin, of the time period, were anything but. While Franklin called himself a "thorough deist" in his autobiography, his actions and words otherwise revealed that if he was a deist, he wasn't a very good one. He constantly made references to passages of Scripture, and he was the one who suggested the delegates pray before each session of the Constitutional Convention. Jefferson, in a letter to Mr. Charles Thompson, proclaims that he is a Christian in ALL CAPS. He was also a critical part of the religious freedom act in Virginia, and championed Christianity constantly in his life. The accusations of deism range from the fact that he was not one to attend church (he was not fond of organized religion) and the accusations of his political enemies. If he was not a Christian as I proclaim, then why did he make sure Bible Studies were led in the White House during his presidency?Douglas V. Gibbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09388639848567082980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-20153112618965621762021-07-07T20:44:33.532-07:002021-07-07T20:44:33.532-07:00i find this inaccurate and really quite annoying t...i find this inaccurate and really quite annoying that you're responded immaturely and by resorting to insulting people who are critiqueing your post that is, actually, incorrect in some statements. E.g. Thanksgiving was NOT started to celebrate america is was to celebrate slaughtering an indian tribe. this is revisionist history.<br /><br />intelligent critical thinkers like the founding fathers or at last some were too intellectual and insightful to be christians. maybe some spiritual, some werent but at the time atheists were shunned so no one came out as one, so we can read between the lines with that. <br /><br />ps. try taking critiques and corrections like someone who cares about the information itself that you're writing about, rather than imposing that you're smartest rightest and bestest here so anyone else is DUMB!!1!actual historiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-76424842712225247632017-01-07T14:22:44.538-08:002017-01-07T14:22:44.538-08:00regarding the Treaty of Tripoli: http://politicalp...regarding the Treaty of Tripoli: http://politicalpistachio.blogspot.com/2015/09/do-you-not-recognize-treaty-of-tripoli.html<br /><br />As for the Jefferson Bible: https://politicalpistachio.blogspot.com/2012/04/jefferson-bible-on-my-desk.html<br />Douglas V. Gibbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09388639848567082980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-80899238512135362352017-01-03T06:43:43.875-08:002017-01-03T06:43:43.875-08:00Beautifully stated G-d UnmightyBeautifully stated G-d UnmightyNot a bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17302655164208297794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-44176841913102506932016-07-22T11:34:22.239-07:002016-07-22T11:34:22.239-07:00a good source, aside from my own writings, would b...a good source, aside from my own writings, would be Church and State by David Barton, as well as Danbury Baptist Association's letter to Thomas Jefferson, October 7, <br />1801: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/dba_jefferson.html<br /><br />Jefferson’s Final Letter to the Danbury Baptists, January 1, 1802: <br />http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html <br /><br />Joseph Andrews, A Guide for Learning and Teaching The Declaration of <br />Independence and The U.S. Constitution - Learning from the Original Texts Using Classical Learning Methods of the Founders; San Marcos: The Center for Teaching the Constitution (2010).<br /><br />Philip B. Kurland and Ralph Lerner, The Founder’s Constitution – <br />Volume Five - Amendments I-XII; Indianapolis: Liberty Fund (1987).<br /><br />The Declaration and Resolves of the First Continental Congress declared on October 14, 1774, U.S. History dot org: http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/related/decres.htm <br /><br />Thomas Jefferson, The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom, 1786: http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html<br />Douglas V. Gibbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09388639848567082980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-34640435308431526772016-07-22T11:12:37.434-07:002016-07-22T11:12:37.434-07:00Douglas V. Gibbs - Do you have any further article...Douglas V. Gibbs - Do you have any further articles/books that you could recommend on this topic? I would also like to hear about this from the liberal/atheist perspective, if possible. Thanks! - MaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-34536669804937062522016-05-30T05:04:30.856-07:002016-05-30T05:04:30.856-07:00Religion is man-made, but Faith in Christ is God-m...Religion is man-made, but Faith in Christ is God-made. . . a principle many of the Founding Fathers held. With a point of reference like the British mandate regarding the Church of England, one can hardly blame them. My own personal belief regarding religion mirrors theirs. I am not a fan of "religion," but I am a Christian and believe in the original intent of the church of Christianity as provided by God. I do believe we are a Christian nation based on our foundation and the fundamental makeup of our country, but I do not believe we are (or should be) a Christian nation in the way that Muslim countries are. We are not, nor should we ever be, a theocracy.Douglas V. Gibbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09388639848567082980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-51929247431998926252016-05-29T10:10:36.927-07:002016-05-29T10:10:36.927-07:00I am not a history buff nor do I have a background...I am not a history buff nor do I have a background in religion. Can a religion be anything but man-made?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01464040678261005637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-81529535330039778982016-02-10T18:51:37.584-08:002016-02-10T18:51:37.584-08:00Fascinating, Cajun Atheist, that you use Thomas Pa...Fascinating, Cajun Atheist, that you use Thomas Payne and Abraham Lincoln. Cherry Picking, aren't you? Payne grew up a Christian and then decided to turn away from it. He joined the French Revolution, and then on his death bed indicated he regretted his departure earlier in his life from the Faith. Lincoln, though he claimed to be a man of faith, was a statist who plunged us into an unnecessary war to further centralize the federal government. I am surprised you didn't drag Alexander Hamilton into this. Anyway, as I stated in the post, the founders had a problem with man-made religion, but not the principles of the Christian Faith. They were Christians, even the ones that rejected the dogma of man-made religion.Douglas V. Gibbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09388639848567082980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-90717995567560574312016-02-09T19:04:42.236-08:002016-02-09T19:04:42.236-08:00This article is a flat out lie. Several of the fo...This article is a flat out lie. Several of the founding fathers not only spoke ill of religion but also of Christianity and the bible. You are grossly misrepresenting the facts. I suggest if there are any readers on here that aren't already brainwashed fundamentalist Christians to look up some of the many quotes by the founding fathers people like Thomas Payne, Abraham Lincoln, and several others. If need be I can provide quotes and websites. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-87282358715011045642015-10-03T08:13:50.936-07:002015-10-03T08:13:50.936-07:001. The Treaty of Tripoli
Article 11 was added by ...1. The Treaty of Tripoli<br /><br />Article 11 was added by Joel Barlow. (Interestingly enough is not in the Arabic version) <br /><br />But if you read the whole comment you see that there is more than just "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, — as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, — and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."<br /><br />The Muslim were at war with everyone that was Christian. We were telling Tripoli that we were not fighting them as a "Christian" nation. By law Nationally, we are not demanding everyone be a Christian. Religion was left up to the States. And every State was a christian state. If you have 5000 states and all of them are christian, then you have a christian nation. <br /><br />No one who says we are a christian nation is trying to say you must be Christian to live here. Liberals twist and turn everything to make it sound like that is what we want. That is a lie.<br /><br />They also think Christians want us to keep the Old Testament law, which is also not true. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861547233820811721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-75060607843498492652015-09-20T01:35:50.476-07:002015-09-20T01:35:50.476-07:00The Treaty of Tripoli was written by John Adams, t...The Treaty of Tripoli was written by John Adams, the same person who is quoted as saying, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." If the language in the Treaty of Tripoli is taken at face value, then we have a contradiction. Therefore, we have to dig deeper to figure out why it was written in the manner it was written, in order to take it into proper context. The language in the treaty reads: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion of tranquility, of Mussulmen, and as the United States never entered into any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between two countries."<br /><br />Finish reading at http://politicalpistachio.blogspot.com/2015/09/do-you-not-recognize-treaty-of-tripoli.htmlDouglas V. Gibbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09388639848567082980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-66412006256692136762015-09-13T09:34:27.103-07:002015-09-13T09:34:27.103-07:00Er, why do you not recognize the Treaty of Tripoli...Er, why do you not recognize the Treaty of Tripoli?A Good Pointnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-70635998577565913772015-04-07T08:17:43.084-07:002015-04-07T08:17:43.084-07:00Almost all of the founding fathers were Christian ...Almost all of the founding fathers were Christian and ALL of the rest were deists. Not one atheist in their numbers. Of the two deists one was Benjamin Franklin who felt Christian morality and the bible belonged in schools and the other Thomas Jefferson defined himself as a Christian deist and attended church regularly during his Presidency, at the Capital building. The revisionism nonsense are the atheists quote mining the founding fathers to turn them into Christian hating atheists.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02249199643537133970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-54829782847505024752013-08-08T06:49:53.592-07:002013-08-08T06:49:53.592-07:00Is Myth #15 supposed to be your entire write-up?Is Myth #15 supposed to be your entire write-up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-67504533923787132152013-07-05T21:29:38.609-07:002013-07-05T21:29:38.609-07:00"An American," your comment is full of i..."An American," your comment is full of ignorance. Organized religion was definitely a problem to many of the founders. When your frame of reference is the Church of England, that is understandable. But, nearly all of them did believe in Jesus. Jefferson, for example, who someone like you would claim was a deist, wrote in a letter to Mr. Charles Thompson, "I am a REAL CHRISTIAN, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus." If you go on to read the letter, he even calls himself more of a Christian than many folks that call themselves Christian, and even preachers, because to him Jesus was more important than religion. The problem with organized religion is the church often becomes more important than Christ, and that is not what Jesus intended.Douglas V. Gibbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09388639848567082980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-74309537598177264332013-07-05T11:24:33.342-07:002013-07-05T11:24:33.342-07:00Most of the founding fathers in fact hated religio...Most of the founding fathers in fact hated religion and didn't believe in Jesus. They might have believed in a God. But they were in no way Christian. They were men with morals and believed people had the right to live and worship who they choose. Many times they have been saying that they weren't Christian. This article is full of ignorance.an americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01889425570122518269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-49285163072649601922013-03-22T18:48:12.434-07:002013-03-22T18:48:12.434-07:00I counted 62 members instead of 56 in your breakdo...I counted 62 members instead of 56 in your breakdown. Is there an error?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-65174763797064031532012-08-04T09:56:33.629-07:002012-08-04T09:56:33.629-07:00I am fully aware of the Treaty of Tripoli's ex...I am fully aware of the Treaty of Tripoli's excerpts and Jefferson's Bible. In fact, I own a copy of Jefferson's Bible. There is a quote in my copy of that book from Jefferson of him professing to be a Christian, not a deist. Also, those examples you bring up do not show that the founders were not Christians, but instead serve as evidence that they were Christians who loved Christ, but abhorred man-made religion. Thank you for you comment.Douglas V. Gibbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09388639848567082980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27654025.post-90765182688977261712012-08-03T02:12:06.891-07:002012-08-03T02:12:06.891-07:00What an uninformed, revisionist, cherry picking, l...What an uninformed, revisionist, cherry picking, liar you are. How do you think your g-d thinks of you given those facts? I doubt you care as you probably don't truly believe in "him" anyways. I love how you omit things such as the Treaty of Tripoli's excerpts on the matter and how Jefferson compiled a bible which removed all miracles and ended with Jesus's burial. Of course you won't allow this comment to be displayed but I want YOU to know that your malicious reinterpretation of history has not gone unnoticed. Consider yourself lucky there is no hell waiting for you after you die. You make me sick.G-d Unmightynoreply@blogger.com